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c_creations · Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:24 pm Post subject: Specs on my engine FINALLY

OK, Here are the specs you've all been waiting for and saying i should get. It is a 68-69 350 which has been rebuilt to stock. Except with a .030 bore. When the guy bought it he put in a beefyer cam. so theres the specs So now i know what i have and what i can do. The cam was installed with a degree of retard. What are the advantages of puting a cam in retarded, advanced or just straight up. and what would be best for my application. Remember this is for strip only.

andrewk · Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 1233 Location: Ames, IA

c_creations wrote: OK, Here are the specs you've all been waiting for and saying i should get. It is a 68-69 350 which has been rebuilt to stock. Except with a .030 bore. When the guy bought it he put in a beefyer cam. so theres the specs So now i know what i have and what i can do. The cam was installed with a degree of retard. What are the advantages of puting a cam in retarded, advanced or just straight up. and what would be best for my application. Remember this is for strip only.

Yet another way of saying the same thing- that you still don't know. So what do we know now that we didn't before? "beefier" cam is not a measurement. As has been stated before, ass dynos don't work. I hardly think that you know what you have. Its the things you dont know that are going to kill you on the track. Things such as ACTUAL cam specs, pistons, the weight of the pistons, the dish of the pistons, how far down the hole the pistons are, the rods, the weight of the rods, the crank, was it balanced, was there any valve or head work, is it the stock intake, Does it have a good oiling system? These things are specs. A stock rebuild is simply that. Stock. If this is a "strip only" application, you are going to want to make some major modifications if you want to compete with some of the "big boys" I know Norm knows his shyt when it comes down to the parts that are really needed to make power. If you want this thing to live, you need viable measurements, not ass dyno figures. It is only by the true specs that you will know what the thing is capable of, and only then can you make an informed decision on how hard to run it. This is pretty much the same reply I have given the last 3 times you have posted regarding this topic, I hope that you will soon get real numbers to talk about. For now, I will save this in word so that I dont have to type it out next time.

Andrew

88 Coupe · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:44 am Post subject: Re: Specs on my engine FINALLY

Hi c_creations, hello everyone.

Quote: ........ 350 which has been rebuilt to stock ........
Now, I'll call it stock. That means OEM replacement pistons. What specs or mfr/part #?

Quote: ........ Except with a .030 bore.........
Not done to make more power, it's done because, normally, it's the smallest oversized piston available.

Quote: ........ a beefier cam.........
Specs, or a mfr/part #?

Quote: ......... The cam was installed with a degree of retard........
Depends on the cam specs.

Quote: ......... What are the advantages of puting a cam in retarded, advanced or just straight up........
It moves the power band up or down. The decision to advance or retard depends on many factors, such as cam and piston specs.

Quote: ......... what would be best for my application........
With a stock 350, leave it where it is. Not worth the trouble to change it.

Quote: ......... Remember this is for strip only.
Why? You have a stock engine (probably with a lower compression ratio) with an intake that's marginally better than the original, a good street carb, and street gears.

Bring on the questions.

Regards, Norm

88 Coupe · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:03 am Post subject: Re: Specs on my engine FINALLY

Hi andrewk, all,

Not any easier when you post while I'm composing. :)

I think you can loosen up a little. Looks like he's coming around.

Quote: ......... I know Norm knows his shyt when it comes down to the parts that are really needed to make power .........
I've always worked with what I had. Sometimes it was a stocker. We might be getting closer to finding out how well his will run.

Regards, Norm

88 Coupe · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:20 am Post subject:

Hi c_creations, all,

You had it to the strip, post the numbers on the time slip(s).

Nobody here cares about reaction times or the car next to you, but knowing what the car did, is a start toward understanding what you have and what you need to do.

Regards, Norm

andrewk · Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 1233 Location: Ames, IA

Norm, All,
I agree that having some numbers off that slip will help to see what the combo is capable of. I wasn't trying to bust balls too bad, I just didn't consider a rotating steak a cam spec. I will loosen up...:wink: You can run "stock junk" on the strip only, if you want, but you can also drive it on the street. The main thing to consder Josh, is that if you want to run "fast" or not. As long as you have fun, who cares if the thing runs 14's. You wont be able to take the RPMs real high with a stock engine, but if you are content with the performance perameters of it then that is all that matters. Norms post answered your questions better than mine I think, but hopefully mine helps too. Maybe a refresher on what you want the car to run would help out too.

Andrew

c_creations · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:21 pm Post subject:

Now I dont know what exactly what it has, but until i can run it at the strip again i wont know, In time i will have this stuff down. possibly Im looking at a rebuild next fall with parts that i know exactly what is in it so i can work with it a bit better, with better parts. And then she'll have some power. Right now im just trying to tweek what i have to get the most out of it. Just remember you were all in my shoes once,

88 Coupe · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:59 am Post subject: Re: Specs on my engine FINALLY

Hello andrewk, c_creations, all,

Quote: ......... You can run "stock junk" on the strip only, if you want, but you can also drive it on the street .........
"Junk" as used on ROP, generally refers (in a loving way) to ones own car. On TOC, it might be taken as negative, especially when used to describe someone elses car.

88 Coupe wrote: I've always worked with what I had. Sometimes it was a stocker ........
And I have been known to have the quickest stocker on the block. 8)

Quote: ........ who cares if the thing runs 14's ........ if you are content with ......... then that is all that matters.
Looks like a half empty glass. Lot of pros started out slower. Do We know it won't do 13s?

88 Coupe wrote: ......... Looks like he's coming around ......... c_creations wrote: ......... Im probably looking at a rebuild next fall .........
And then, maybe not.

c_creations wrote: ......... Right now im just trying to tweak what i have to get the most out of it.
And it all starts with one timeslip.

BTW: What tool did I tell you to buy? And why would it have been a good idea?

Regards, Norm

andrewk · Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 1233 Location: Ames, IA

Hi Norm, all,

88 Coupe wrote: Hello andrewk, c_creations, all,

andrewk wrote: ......... You can run "stock junk" on the strip only, if you want, but you can also drive it on the street .........
"Junk" as used on ROP, generally refers (in a loving way) to ones own car. On TOC, it might be taken as negative, especially when used to describe someone elses car.

Ah yes, I didn't think of that... No offense intended. Also, thanks for adding that comma after "only", it clears up my statement... Maybe Ill learn to proofread my posts sometime...:lol:

andrewk wrote: ........ who cares if the thing runs 14's ........ if you are content with ......... then that is all that matters.
88coupe wrote: Looks like a half empty glass. Lot of pros started out slower. Do We know it won't do 13s?

No, we dont know what it will do, my point was to have fun and not get caught up in how fast he was running, just run. I wish I had the oppurtunity to run my car down the track, but running a stock Chevy Lumina down the track would be less than exciting.:wink:

88 Coupe wrote: ......... Looks like he's coming around ......... c_creations wrote: ......... Im probably looking at a rebuild next fall .........
88 coupe wrote: And then, maybe not.

Hopefully he does.

Andrew

c_creations · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:21 pm Post subject:

U told me to buy a manual at one point, but im not sure off the top of my head. So i need a timeslip. ok and you say i should come around, How am i supposed to come around? U tell Me. Boss me around a bit. I wish i had someone here to tell me what to do, when to do it. might suck, but at least id be learning something not comming out of my ass!

texasred · Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 67 Location: San Antonio, TX

c_c

This is going to end up the same as the other thread. Don't get bent out of shape. You keep asking questions and you keep getting the answers. It may not be the answers you want, but the answers fit the questions. We are wanting to help you and we are telling you what to do...but you don't want to accept that (for whatever reason).

Like my grandpaw used to say, "If yer not gonna like the answer, why'd ya ask the question?" (He was a mean s.o.b., but in a folksy-kinda way.)

C.J.

c_creations · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:03 pm Post subject:

So, once i have the timeslip, then it'll open up a can of worms of things to do?

andrewk · Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 1233 Location: Ames, IA

c_creations wrote: So, once i have the timeslip, then it'll open up a can of worms of things to do?

It will show us what your car can do, and what its basic capabilities are. Knowing that, we can deduce what would be effective at making it go faster. A couple questions for you... How fast do you want it to go? Do you have a budget?

Andrew

texasred · Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 67 Location: San Antonio, TX

c_creations wrote: So, once i have the timeslip, then it'll open up a can of worms of things to do?
That will be the "baseline". From there, we can help you figure out how to get where you want to go.

Other things that will be needed are type of exhaust (single, dual, cats), rear end ratio (posi?), tire size...am I forgetting anything guys?

And like Andrewk said, your real goals, timetable, and budget. Just remember that those three things RARELY come together. Can I get an "Amen" brothers? :lol:

BTW, I really didn't mean to slap ya down. The internet is a great communication device...and a poor one. If we were talking face to face, we could stop, explain and ask questions of each other without lag time or misunderstanding. But it's all cool and we're all here to learn and help each other. 8)

C.J.

andrewk · Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 1233 Location: Ames, IA

texasred wrote: c_creations wrote: So, once i have the timeslip, then it'll open up a can of worms of things to do?
That will be the "baseline". From there, we can help you figure out how to get where you want to go.

Other things that will be needed are type of exhaust (single, dual, cats), rear end ratio (posi?), tire size...am I forgetting anything guys?

And like Andrewk said, your real goals, timetable, and budget. Just remember that those three things RARELY come together. Can I get an "Amen" brothers? :lol:

BTW, I really didn't mean to slap ya down. The internet is a great communication device...and a poor one. If we were talking face to face, we could stop, explain and ask questions of each other without lag time or misunderstanding. But it's all cool and we're all here to learn and help each other. 8)

C.J.

AMEN Brother!