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[4drRaTrOd]

my 83 cutlass supreme 4 door.......
the setup is a 231 Buick.......andrewk thought it might have a 200 in it as it is not an overdrive version. would a TH-350 bolt up to this 231? if not, do i need to contact advanced adaptors for a bell housing? also, would you just leave it alone or try for the TH-350 upgrade? is it really an upgrade?

thanks in advance,

steve

[88 Coupe]

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ would a TH-350 bolt up to this 231? ........
Yes.

Quote: ........ would you just leave it alone ........
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Quote: ........ is it really an upgrade? ........
It depends who is doing the defining. Upgrade, is a computer term and its use in an automotive context is seldom accurate.

If one had an inoperative 200 and a known working 350, it might be logical to install the working trans. In this case it would neither an upgrade or downgrade, but a simple trans replacement.

Some would still say it is an upgrade, others a downgrade.

Norm

[4drRaTrOd]

ok, so a TH-350 will bolt up, sweet

Quote: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


familiar with the adage. i view it like i viewed the Dana 35 Axle under my 95 Jeep Wrangler:

"Beefing up a D35 is like polishing a turd. after you're done, you end up with a dirty rag and a shiny turd."

I want something a little more "bulletproof." something that won't "whine and bitch" when i "slap" a 5.7L SBC in the engine compartment.


As far as the definition of an "upgrade," i didn't ask, nor do i give a shit. you know what i meant, hell, i'm sure everyone who considers his/her self a gearhead on this board knows what i mean. quit pickin' the flyshit from the pepper.

Steve

p.s. not all "slang terms" are in quotation marks

[88 Coupe]

Everyone: Quoted his original post here because it is obvious where this is going.

4drRaTrOd wrote: my 83 cutlass supreme 4 door.......
the setup is a 231 Buick.......andrewk thought it might have a 200 in it as it is not an overdrive version. would a TH-350 bolt up to this 231? if not, do i need to contact advanced adaptors for a bell housing? also, would you just leave it alone or try for the TH-350 upgrade? is it really an upgrade?

thanks in advance,

steve


4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ familiar with the adage. i view it like ........
What does this have do with anything I posted?

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ As far as the definition of an "upgrade," i didn't ask, nor do i give a shit ........
Read your opening post again, paying particular attention to your last sentence.

In case you cannot find it, here it is again:
4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ is it really an upgrade? ........
If you did not want an answer, why did you ask the question?

Then, after you got the answer you did not want, why did you deny asking the question? Is it because of your drinking problem?

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ you know what i meant ........
You have me confused with someone who reads minds.

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ i'm sure everyone who considers his/her self a gearhead on this board knows what i mean ........
As far as I know, there are no TOC members who read minds. If anyone does, he/she will step up and correct me.

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ quit pickin' the fly**** from the pepper .........
What does this have to do with anything I have posted?

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ not all "slang terms" are in quotation marks
Thank you for the "English" lesson.

[4drRaTrOd]

Quote: 4drRaTrOd wrote:
........ familiar with the adage. i view it like ........

What does this have do with anything I posted?


you wrote the previous post that prompted the response.

here's my take on you, coupe. tell me if i'm wrong......all BS aside. by the way, this is merely an observational opinion based on all the threads that i have read so far in my relatively short time here at TOC. by no means is this an attempt to raise your hackles.

you're a smart dude. very smart. in fact, you're so smart that you get too caught up in the technicalities to inferr what people are trying to ask. in other words, if a question is not asked with the proper verbage then it doesn't get a straight answer from you. am i close?

as far as my rather stand-offish reply to your previous post... i was already tweeked that night from the day i had at work, and for some reason it came out on this board. for that, i apologize to you and the board.

also......in reguards to the GM TH-350 bolt up....something interesting i learned on thursday from a friend and fellow mechanic.....there are two types of GM turbo 350s. there's the Chevy version with a rise at the top of the bell housing and then there's the Buick/Pontiac/Olds version with a dip at the top of the bell housing. Since it is a Buick 231 that was referenced in the original post, the latter tranny is a direct bolt in.......the Chevy TH-350 i believe has an 8 bolt pattern whereas the Buick TH-350 has a 6 bolt pattern.....i might have those patterns mixed up......will check the tranny in the garage in the morning to confirm or correct.

M2C

Steve

[88 Coupe]

4drRaTrOd wrote: Quote: 4drRaTrOd wrote:
........ familiar with the adage. i view it like ........

What does this have do with anything I posted?

you wrote the previous post that prompted the response ........
OK. As we all knew at the time, nothing was relevant. It is the signature of a typical "Troll".

Are you related to Gravereaper0?

4drRaTrOd wrote: here's my take on you, coupe ........
No one cares about your "take" on anyone.

Do you have anything, Oldsmobile related, that you would like to discuss?

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ you're a smart dude. very smart .........
It just seems that way, because I only post in areas where I actually have experience.

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ in other words, if a question is not asked with the proper verbage then it doesn't get a straight answer from you ........
First read this.

If, after reading it, you still do not understand how a discussion board works, either post there, or start a new thread in the proper forum. Either way, post an example, along with your complaint, and I will be happy to discuss it with you.

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ i was already tweeked that night from the day i had at work ........
Along with a couple more brewskis than you can handle?

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ reguards to the GM TH-350 bolt up ........
Was my answer, to your question, incorrect?

4drRaTrOd wrote: ........ there are two types of GM turbo 350s ........
Not true.

[andrewk]

There are multiple types of bell housing patterns, even if the internal parts of the trans are the same. I assume that's what you meant by:

Quote: 4drRaTrOd wrote:
........ there are two types of GM turbo 350s ........

Not true.

It is my understanding that there were universal cases that fit both bell housing styles, but I am not sure, that might be a different transmission.

You might be able to get an adapter plate to convert a BOP bell housed transmission to a Chevy style pattern, or vice versa. I know some guys that run the 700-R4 behind their Olds' and they used an adapter since the 700-R4 only uses the Chevy pattern.

Hope this helps,

Andrew

[88 Coupe]

With one exception, the following can be applied to the TH350 or TH400.

andrewk wrote: There are multiple types of bell housing patterns ........
There are three trans cases for the 350, two for the 400.

Only differences are the bolt patterns. BOP uses 6 attaching bolts. Chev uses 6, or 7, depending on the application.

Quote: ........ even if the internal parts of the trans are the same ........
They are, with the following exception.

Speedos in some Olds, were driven, via cable, from a front wheel, instead of the trans. In this case, the gears in the tail shaft housing were not installed.

Quote: ........ there were universal cases that fit both bell housing styles ........
That would be the third trans case.

I would not use an adapter in a high power application.

Norm

[andrewk]

Thanks for the info and clarification Norm.

What exactly is the reasoning behind not wanting to use an adapter plate? Does it create a weakness or something between the trans and engine, or does it have an effect on the converter or something? I have always wondered, but never have had any experience with them.

Thanks,

Andrew

[88 Coupe]

andrewk wrote: ........ What exactly is the reasoning ........
The mismatch between the mating surfaces means a reduction in clamping force, and less resistance to twisting under torque. The adapter only returns part of it.

The added distance between the engine and trans must be compensated for, so the TC can fully seated in the pump.

Cores are cheap, and changing cases is easy. Even if one is not doing a rebuild.

Norm

[4drRaTrOd]

i think that i will take the last part of andrewk's sig and not post on this thread anymore. if there are any others that wish to elaborate on the original discussion reguarding the TH-350, PM me.

Thanks,

Steve

[88 Coupe]

Using the PM feature to discuss a thread topic, not only defeats the purpose of this board, your request shows disrespect to the membership.

If you have a problem with the troll, don't feed it.

Norm

[4drRaTrOd]

how would that be showing disrespect to the membership? would you please clarify for me? i would assume that the question(s) had already been addressed and therefore.......oh, it would be depriving the other members public record of truth.

as far as feeding the troll - makes sense.

thanks

steve