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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:45 am 
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......your list of jury rigged modifications.........


jurry-rigged modifacations? for someone who has never seen my car or driven it, you sure know alot,"talk the talk"



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........ for someone who has never seen my car or driven it ........

Your Images, and posts, have been telling us all we need to know, about it.

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........ How much HP/ET/MPH did you gain?
........ I never went to the track stock however i did do the 1/8 mile stock with just a flow master back then and that was a 11.2 which works out to being a 16 second quarter mile so yes i ripped off a full second.


Go ahead and start that new thread, so we can talk about some, or all, of your "jurry-rigged modifacations".

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oooooooo gasket matching my LIM and smoothing the casting flashes where the injector bosses come in, oh thats jury rigged, huh?
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Norm already covered the intake. I'll post a few to get my point across.

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cusom 1/ 3/4 headers


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Yeah- I'd say jury-rigged. Not that custom headers are bad, but you don't seem to know anything behind how headers are designed. A header manufacturer would never make the #3 tube that short, among other things. Again, doing it yourself is not bad, if you know what you are doing. That and the welds don't appear to have good penetration.

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PCV catch can mod


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That from a magic bullet blender??

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That's either fence post, or two pieces of angle iron welded together, and either way, the rabbit-turd welds don't look like they can hold anything.

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Nuff said.

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I'm sure the plywood is NHRA approved. Again, not a bad modification if you were to do it right.

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These are much better than the headers, and I believe they will probably flow better, due to the design flaws in your headers.

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Is that a cap from a coolant bottle installed upside down as the cap for your overflow tank?

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Ratchet straps would be "full race" right?

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This looks like a great idea.

Now before you get all uppity and think I am attacking you, I'm not. If you want to do this crap to your car, go ahead, I just hope for your sake you don't get in an accident and have your "mods" seriously injure someone. You are far enough away from me that I am not that bothered by it.

What you need to know is that while you may choose to do this to your vehicle, it is not a good idea for others to follow. You have done some stupid shit to your car, and advising others to do the same is just as dumb. I will continue to point this out as long as you continue to post this BS advice on TOC.

You can keep on arguing if you want, but the images speak for themselves.

I'm done with this one.

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andrewk wrote:
Norm already covered the intake. I'll post a few to get my point across.

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cusom 1/ 3/4 headers


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Yeah- I'd say jury-rigged. Not that custom headers are bad, but you don't seem to know anything behind how headers are designed. A header manufacturer would never make the #3 tube that short, among other things. Again, doing it yourself is not bad, if you know what you are doing. That and the welds don't appear to have good penetration.


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what appears and what is, is two diffrent things, these are not my final build, i will be using all mandrel builds this time around.

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PCV catch can mod


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That from a magic bullet blender??

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........no but my catch can does its job, its now a oil/air seperator, which keeps my intake squeeky clean while retaining the PCV function...


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That's either fence post, or two pieces of angle iron welded together, and either way, the rabbit-turd welds don't look like they can hold anything.

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again: what appear to you and what is, are two diffrent things, take your own advice. my turd weld has been holding since i welded it. nuff said.


Nuff said.

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I'm sure the plywood is NHRA approved. Again, not a bad modification if you were to do it right.
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weve been over this already, it now has a fully enclosed battery box kit from autozone.

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These are much better than the headers, and I believe they will probably flow better, due to the design flaws in your headers.


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Is that a cap from a coolant bottle installed upside down as the cap for your overflow tank?

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yes when i didnt have time to get another coolant cap, or does that not suit your taste?


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Ratchet straps would be "full race" right?

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go back and read, these were done to take the weight off the back transmission mount to make it easier changing it, ive already discussed this on this forum, keep up


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This looks like a great idea.

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solid trans mount, ive since taken it off and used a custom polyurethane filled factory wishbone style one.


Now before you get all uppity and think I am attacking you, I'm not. If you want to do this crap to your car, go ahead, I just hope for your sake you don't get in an accident and have your "mods" seriously injure someone. You are far enough away from me that I am not that bothered by it.

What you need to know is that while you may choose to do this to your vehicle, it is not a good idea for others to follow. You have done some stupid shit to your car, and advising others to do the same is just as dumb. I will continue to point this out as long as you continue to post this BS advice on TOC.

You can keep on arguing if you want, but the images speak for themselves.

I'm done with this one.
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post the quote where i told someone to do exactly as i did. no i gave them examples of what can be done and my personal experience in doing so. i never force my mods on anyone else so you can quit the mud slinging. anything else you have to say?

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91buickman wrote:
........ gasket matching my LIM ........

By definition, "gasket matched" is "jurry-rigged".

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........ and smoothing the casting flashes ........

Does not look very "smooth" from my viewpoint.

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Do you have the, before and after, numbers to show us how badly you butchered it?

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........ thats jury rigged, huh?

Yes.

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........ I'm sure the plywood is NHRA approved ........

Along with the, ⅜" hold downs, and the battery disconnect.

Battery acid leaking all over the floor, is equally impressive.

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........ if you were to do it right ........

Right, would be "ballast" over the right rear tire, to aid traction, in a "rear drive" application.

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........ the images speak for themselves ........

Yes, loud and clear.

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not the final stage picture either, learn what youre talking about. and gasket matching is jury rigging? you need to ride someone elses tip now. its getting old.



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Along with the, ⅜" hold downs, and the battery disconnect.

Battery acid leaking all over the floor, is equally impressive.

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........ if you were to do it right ........

Right, would be "ballast" over the right rear tire, to aid traction, in a "rear drive" application.

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........ the images speak for themselves ........

Yes, loud and clear.

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you dont read and thats not acid on the floorits left over residue from cleaning the mold that grew under the trunk carpet. and as stated before ride somebody elses tip.



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Guess I'm not done with this one...

91parkave wrote:
what appears and what is, is two diffrent things, these are not my final build, i will be using all mandrel builds this time around.


How am I supposed to take you seriously when I can barely understand what the fvck you are trying to say?

Mandrel bends won't fix the design flaw.

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..no but my catch can does its job, its now a oil/air seperator, which keeps my intake squeeky clean while retaining the PCV function...


If you are getting oil through the PCV valve, you have other engine problems. There are millions of engines in service that don't have this "fresh out of the kitchen" modification, and they don't have problems with intake buildup.

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again: what appear to you and what is, are two diffrent things, take your own advice. my turd weld has been holding since i welded it. nuff said


Enlighten me then, o great one. Your turd welding will probably hold until an impact.

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weve been over this already, it now has a fully enclosed battery box kit from autozone.


Doesn't change the fact you ran it like that for who knows how long. I think the white siding screws really set that bad boy off.

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yes when i didnt have time to get another coolant cap, or does that not suit your taste?


In an emergency, its better than nothing, but why might I not believe you just didn't have time?

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go back and read, these were done to take the weight off the back transmission mount to make it easier changing it, ive already discussed this on this forum, keep up


I was active in that thread, and I remember the story you told. But what I can't figure out is how that is supposed to take the weight off the engine when you have a piece of steel welded in between the front engine mounts, and that ridiculous add-on front mount still connected. In order to take the weight off the mount, the engine would have to move. Leaves us with two options- either your car defies the laws of physics, or you are lying. A possible third option is that you were concerned that make-shift front engine mount might rip clean out of the core support since the core support was never designed to carry that sort of load.

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solid trans mount, ive since taken it off and used a custom polyurethane filled factory wishbone style one.


I know what it was supposed to be. Why no pics of the poly one? Perhaps because it doesn't exist?

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post the quote where i told someone to do exactly as i did.


You really need to see an example of your asshattery?

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no i gave them examples of what can be done and my personal experience in doing so.


What can be done is not always what should be done. Just because you have a wire welder and some strap steel doesn't mean you should jerry-rig a solid motor mount.

Your experience doesn't count for much, as I still have yet to see where you actually have a clue as to what you are talking about.

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i never force my mods on anyone else so you can quit the mud slinging.

I'm not slinging mud, I am exposing you mods for what they are.

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anything else you have to say?


Yeah, your car is jerry-rigged.



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:21 am 
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91buickman wrote:
........ not the final stage picture either ........

Of course. You posted all those images, because you are so proud of your craftsmanship.

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Yeah, that's the ticket.

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........ learn what youre talking about ........

Go back to 3800pro.com and continue your education.

When you get a clue, come back and discuss your new found knowledge. like an adult.

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........ and gasket matching is jury rigging? ........

Yes, it still is.

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........ you need to ride someone elses tip now ........

You need find someone who will believe all your BS.

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........ its getting old.

Complaining, like a child, will not do anything to stop it.

Norm

EDIT: Added a comma, for clarity.


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91buickman wrote:
........ you dont read ........

And you are not coherent.

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........ thats not acid on the floor ........

OK, I will believe you, this time. It only looks like battery acid. You did not clean it up, because you thought it would add artistic value to the pic.

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........ as stated before ride somebody elses tip.

Not gonna happen, unless/until another BS artist shows up.

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lets discuss:
while not the most professional looking mods, they are purley functional, doubt what you want but neither of you queers has driven it, so what you say based on your experience...which is all you have to go off of is irrelevant.

Motor mounts:

the tie strap was still in place when i took the picture afteri did my motor mount (rear). 3800 FWD cars are prone to front and RR engine mount failure, the fronts tend to seperate from the rubber over time and the rears suffer as well becauce it take most of the abuse , what i did was use the w-body mount on top to keep some weight of the rear motor mount, nothing to this date has been broken or bent or twisted in anyway. The front motor mount was welded with a piece of steel to help out with the seperation issue i talked about earlier. The right rear was also filled with polyurethne in all available areas. as for the dog bone mount like i said before its poly filled, and it looks just like rubber, taking a picture for your satisfaction is pointless in that matter.

PCV:

the PCV releases oil vapor into the intake manifold, and the vapor clings to factory casting flashings in intake manifolds no matter what shape the engine is in. for exapale the 2001 6.0L engine with 83,000 miles on it already has this Image

Thus the oil/air sepeartor it keeps crap like this from happening. i dont knwhat youre talking about but in the engines i have tore down before this is always the case.


bottom line my stuff works and works well, cheap and effective which is what they were ment to do(mods) you can say what you want because after all this is a forum for discussion, but rember one thing nobody makes parts for series 1 3800,(besides rockers and chip upgrades) if you want one with any performance you have to go your own route rather it be swaping bigger OEM stuff in or making your own stuff. So jury-rigged.......no......."jury rigged" means the shit dont work, my car is a daily driver. and it works....beautifully and has been for a long time now.



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Jury rigging refers to makeshift repairs or temporary contrivances, made with only the tools and materials that happen to be on hand. Originally a nautical term, on sailing ships a jury rig is a replacement mast and yards improvised in case of damage or loss of the original mast.


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