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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:29 pm 
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Hello everyone,

I want to get some new springs for my 83 Cutlass Supreme, but was thinking about getting some slightly stiffer springs than the stock ones for my 3.8 Cutlass. I was thinking about getting some for a cutlass with a 305 or possibly a monte carlo ss, or even stock springs for a turbo regal. THe thing is I want them to still give that comfortable cruising ride, but with a touch more performance than stock. Does anyone know how I can find out which springs would be the ones to go with. Any info or suggestions will be appreciated. thanks


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:42 am 
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........ how I can find out which springs would be the ones to go with ........

Go to your local auto parts supplier (not one of the chains) that has a Moog catalog. Have them find your specs for reference, then find all Part #s with similar specs.

Compare the specs, and choose the part # you think will best suit your needs.

The springs you are looking for, could have been used in any other GM, or a Ford or Mopar application. For example, I used Ford LTD, and Vega springs to lower one of my Coupes.

Stiffer springs = stiffer ride.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:21 am 
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agreed. also some of the springs are made in varible rate now so also check for that to.



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91buickman wrote:
agreed ........

My statements stand on their own. There is no reason for anyone to patronize me.

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........ some of the springs are made in varible rate now ........
    1. He did not ask about variable rate springs.
    2. Variable rate springs are designed for a completely different purpose.
    3. Variable rate springs will do nothing to improve handling. I would expect them to do the opposite.
    4. Ergo: Variable rate springs have have nothing to do with this topic.
    6. Variable rate springs have been in existence for over 50 years.
    6. Variable rate springs are listed in a different section of the catalog, because, they have a different function.
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My statements stand on their own. There is no reason for anyone to patronize me.


Only going to say this once, Im not patronizing you or arguing with your statments in anyway. However this being a public forum i can post what anything relevant to the topic.
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1. He did not ask about variable rate springs.

He did ask for coil spring options and what can help the ride without sacrificing ride quality, That is what varible rate coil springs were made for. They Serve as upgrade from standard coil springs, which is why their in a diffrent part of the catalog. There is a thing called technology you should look into it.


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Moog offers two types of coil springs: constant-rate springs that restore handling to its original state, and cargo-coil, variable-rate springs as an upgrade for vehicles that carry heavy loads.


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Moog offers two types of coil springs: constant-rate springs that restore handling to its original state, and cargo-coil, variable-rate springs as an upgrade for vehicles that carry heavy loads.


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The plot thickens... 8-)



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 Post subject: Re: Help with Springs?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:18 pm 
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Some more info

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Ferreti Motors also has an article:

Variable Rate Coil Springs are higher quality replacements for original equipment coil springs. The unique feature of variable rate coil springs is the increasing rate of support provided as the load increases. This improved type of winding gives the springs a variable rate of resistance and allows additional load capacity. VRC springs give a more comfortable stable ride. They assist in reducing sag, side sway, road wander and also help compensate for unequal weight distribution in your car. The difference is really noticeable when your car is heavily loaded or if you are towing. Regular coil springs will handle about 600 pounds. Our variable rate coil spring design, available for most vehicles equipped with coil springs, allows a typical car to take about 1,100 pounds (500 pounds more).



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 Post subject: Re: Help with Springs?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:30 pm 
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91buickman wrote:
........ Im not patronizing you or ........

No one said you were. Read what is actually there, not what you think is there.

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........ He did ask for coil spring options ........

Read #2 again. This time,Read what is actually there, not what you think is there.

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........ There is a thing called technology you should look into it.

Read the following. http://www.oldsconnection.com/forum/vie ... hp?p=18432 As you can see, the thread is hard to follow. That is because it was "trashed" by a previous troll.

If you would like to discuss spring technology, you can join in the thread where it is actually being discussed: http://www.oldsconnection.com/forum/vie ... php?t=2850

You can start by, going there and, explaining how variable rate springs are used in performance applications.

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No clown the first thread is about lowering the car and all the cons and pros assosiated. This thread ha snothing to do with that- were talking stock or stock replacment. any way heres a in depth article about linear vs. progressive http://www.hrsprings.com/site/about/manufacturing.html



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Thanks for all your responses. I understand that stiffer springs will give you a stiffer ride, but how do you actually define the spring as being stiffer. For instance an springs for a 350 g-bode may be a stiffer spring on it's own but once installed under all that weight it won't be as stiff as it would be in my car with a 3.8L. I guess I am being pretty picky here, I want it to be a little stiffer than stock but by no means as stiff as a spring that might be generally used for a much heavier front end.

Thanks again, I was thinking about maybe using some variable rate springs for the rear end.

By the way does anyone know the difference between MOOG and TRW springs? They are both made by federal Mogul are they not?


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91buickman wrote:
........ This thread ha snothing to do ........

Read it again. This time, read what is there, not what you think is not there.

As I stated in my last post, it is a confusing thread due to the trashing by the previous troll. Which, by the way, is not unlike, what you have been doing to this one.

In the future, I suggest you actually read a post, before you respond to it.

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........ heres a in depth article ........

There is nothing there that I have not covered previously.

But you do not know that, because you do not read, what is actually there, before you respond.

Instead, you choose to base your BS statements, and your subsequent BS arguments, on statements that were not made.

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........ how do you actually define the spring as being stiffer ........

A stiffer spring has more resistance to compression.

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........ springs for a 350 g-bode may be a stiffer spring on it's own but once installed under all that weight it won't be as stiff ........

It's resistance has not changed, the added weight has increased the compression.

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........ I want it to be a little stiffer than stock but by no means as stiff as a spring that might be generally used for a much heavier front end ........

How much heavier are we talking about.

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........ I was thinking about maybe using some variable rate springs for the rear end ........

Will you be carrying extra weight, perhaps a trailer, very often?

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........ difference between MOOG and TRW springs? ........

Packaging and part numbers. Napa has been selling the same springs, under a yet different PN, since '79.

The reason I suggested Moog is, I know most parts suppliers have an available cross reference.

Brando: Does Napa keep a similar chart at its stores?

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Clown you have yet to post a article backing up your post in the first place. Theres no way you could say im bullshitting these people on here because at least more than one person posted statments that run along with mine. Now please I would like to see why you stated what you did



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91parkave wrote:
Theres no way you could say im bullshitting
these people on here because at least more than one person posted statments that run along with mine.


More than one? Where?

Whatever you are smoking, it must be good.



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