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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:08 pm 
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Hi all,

From another post- Suspension, particularly front suspension, is something I know little about- I understand the concepts, but had a couple questions after Norm's post-

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2. Variable rate springs are designed for a completely different purpose.


What is the purpose? My understanding is that they are supposed to give better overall ride quality, but I don't know much more than that.


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3. Variable rate springs will do nothing to improve handling. I would expect them to do the opposite.


Why would they decrease handling performance?

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Hi andrewk,

91buickman wrote:
........ There is a thing called technology you should look into it.

I'll be looking into it. While I am doing so, 91buickman will explain it to everyone else.

Since he is so knowledgeable, in this area, I am confident that I will not have to clean up after him.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:04 pm 
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Now that was completley childish. For to answer someone elses questions aimed directly to you, and you put it off on me? that is clearly blatent childish behavior no matter what spin you put on it. Why dont you leave my name out your posts unless i directly talk to you, thats what what grown folks do last time i checked. as for what andrew originally asked heres something i posted in the other thread to help out
http://www.hrsprings.com/site/about/manufacturing.html its a little long but gives both sides of the story



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91buickman wrote:
........ and you put it off on me? ........

Read the following again.

This time read what is actually there, not what you think is there.

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88 Coupe wrote:
........ 1. He did not ask about variable rate springs ........

He did ask for coil spring options and what can help the ride without sacrificing ride quality, That is what varible rate coil springs were made for. They Serve as upgrade from standar coil springs ........

You made the statement.

If you cannot defend it, just say so.

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........ heres something i posted in the other thread ........

Which part pertains to any of this, or its companion, thread?

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why would i defend my statement when everyone elses is the same as mine? you were the one questioned not me, we would like to see why varible rate springs dont help you have yet to do so, do that first then we can finish are back and forth bickering. :P



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Everyone else's statement is not the same as yours. If you think it is, then either you aren't communicating what you really mean on the board, or you aren't reading.

The only other person, other than Norm that has made a factual contribution to the thread is Brando, and the segment out of the Moog catalog does not say they are an upgrade for handling, it says an upgrade for cars that carry heavy loads, which would be the "different purpose" that Norm is referring to.

So in this case "everyone else" is only one person, and his statement does not corroborate yours, and the way I read it, the statement contradicts yours.

That's why you would defend your statement, but I digress.

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On subject, I would be inclined to think that a variable rate spring would make a car less sensitive to input in corners, given the springs characteristics. That is just my deduction from the reading I have done on the subject.



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91buickman wrote:
why would i defend my statement ........

Because it is your statement. You made it. You defend it.

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........ you have yet to do so ........

Another of your many lies.

It was done last December. Here is the link again. http://www.oldsconnection.com/forum/vie ... php?t=2436

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........ then we can finish are back and forth bickering.

This one speaks for itself.

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just cut the crap and quoting and answer what andrew asked you originally, I have no problem defending my statement at all, just in this situation it wont happen because the whole thread started was aimed at clown not me.



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91parkave wrote:
just cut the crap and quoting and answer what andrew asked you originally, I have no problem defending my statement at all, just in this situation it wont happen because the whole thread started was aimed at norm not me.


I don't aim my threads at anyone. It was a legitimate question for anyone to answer that has knowledge and experience in the area.

My answer from him was "I'm looking into it" meaning he will get back to me when he composes a reply.

The article you posted has some seemingly good technical information, but it is jaded by the "we are the only ones that can do it, the other guys are incompetent" type sales approach for HR springs.

I noticed you have yet to expand on any of this.


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my staatment started from "agreed, they also make some of the springs in varible rate now", thats when the war path started on me. Since then ive posted alot more info to elaborate so what are you talking about andrew? Then you directly quoted clwn and asked questions about his statements which implies that your asking him to answer what he said in ther thread. And since when does clown need time to compose a reply? he's never had a problem quoting and all the other crap he does on here so why this one? So for you to talk about talk about me "expanding" on this thread is completley stupid, because i actually posted info not my opinion.

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91buickman wrote:
why would i defend my statement ........

88 Coupe wrote:
Because it is your statement. You made it. You defend it ........

just cut the crap and quoting ........

If you cannot do it, grow up and say so.

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91buickman wrote:
....... if you want to talk grown then do it ........

You made the statement. I made the rebuttal.

Here it is again:

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91buickman wrote:
........ some of the springs are made in varible rate now ........
    1. He did not ask about variable rate springs.
    2. Variable rate springs are designed for a completely different purpose.
    3. Variable rate springs will do nothing to improve handling. I would expect them to do the opposite.
    4. Ergo: Variable rate springs have have nothing to do with this topic.
    6. Variable rate springs have been in existence for over 50 years.
    6. Variable rate springs are listed in a different section of the catalog, because, they have a different function.

Your turn.

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Clown wrote:
1. He did not ask about variable rate springs.


Once again, The man asked for options, he got them
Clown wrote:
2. Variable rate springs are designed for a completely different purpose.


Besides whats already been stated, what other purpose might that be?
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3. Variable rate springs will do nothing to improve handling. I would expect them to do the opposite.


you would expect them? meaning you have neither the experience or articles that state otherwise....
Clown wrote:
4. Ergo: Variable rate springs have have nothing to do with this topic.


He asked for options, work on that reading comprehension thing weve talkled about in the past.
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6. Variable rate springs have been in existence for over 50 years.


ok.........glad you rember when they came out even though they were actually used on horse carriges back in the late 1800's, so yea a little more than 50 years.

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6. Variable rate springs are listed in a different section of the catalog, because, they have a different function. Your turn..


What might that function be other than a standard replacment upgrade. :dead:

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91buickman wrote:
88 Coupe wrote:
1. He did not ask about variable rate springs.

Once again, The man asked for options, he got them ........

He asked for performance options. You gave him load carrying options.

91buickman wrote:
88 Coupe wrote:
2. Variable rate springs are designed for a completely different purpose.

Besides whats already been stated, what other purpose might that be? ........

There is only one purpose for the springs you brought up. Extra load carrying capacity.

91buickman wrote:
88 Coupe wrote:
3. Variable rate springs will do nothing to improve handling. I would expect them to do the opposite.

meaning you have neither the experience or articles that state otherwise ........

You are wandering off topic.

91buickman wrote:
88 Coupe wrote:
4. Ergo: Variable rate springs have have nothing to do with this topic.

He asked for options ........

Again. He asked for performance options. You gave him load carrying options.

91buickman wrote:
88 Coupe wrote:
4. Ergo: Variable rate springs have have nothing to do with this topic.

........ work on that reading comprehension thing weve talkled about in the past ........

Off topic, again.

91buickman wrote:
88 Coupe wrote:
5. Variable rate springs have been in existence for over 50 years.

........ they were actually used on horse carriges back in the late 1800's ........

My statement is correct. Yours is off topic.

91buickman wrote:
88 Coupe wrote:
6. Variable rate springs are listed in a different section of the catalog, because, they have a different function ........

What might that function be ........

Extra load carrying capacity.

91buickman wrote:
88 Coupe wrote:
6. Variable rate springs are listed in a different section of the catalog, because, they have a different function ........

........ other than a standard replacment upgrade.

Yet another attempt to go off topic.

Now, you can explain how Moog Cargo coils will turn an 83 G body into a road racer, without affecting its boulevard ride.

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LOL yea no need to explain or quote every sentence. I have just one thing to ask the clown, so if varible rate springs arent a performance-oriented spring..... THEN WHY DID THE OP's PERFORMANCE SUSPENSION KIT COME WITH THEM?? Guess those damn suspension engineers must be smoking some good stuff huh.

oh yea, and since i have no knowledgde on this subject i would like to be enlightened by you so if you would ever so kindly, explain why performance suspension kits in general utilize varible rate springs.


Your turn.


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