Yes, it did. And whether that applied to what the OP was originally after, is still in question.



No war path. Read what's there, not what isn't. Calling a spade, a spade is not a war path. Now if I started making fun of your mother...



The only part of the two links you posted, that pertains to the performance side of this, which is the debate, has little credibility because of its "we are better than everyone else" sales approach I mentioned earlier. Chassis tuners are not idiots, they get paid a lot of money to tune cars. There is a reason that they don't use variable rate springs, and it isn't because of incompetence. Their sales pitch ruins whatever credibility that information had, regardless if it is true or not.



Its a discussion. If someone beat him to it, he would have either agreed or offered a rebuttal. It's what mature people do.



Since he doesn't talk out his azz and makes sure he relays accurate and truthful information- And since when did you care?



Why does it matter? At least his posts are easy to interpret.



Grow up. Either defend your position, or quit posting. We have been over this. (It would be regarding "BS replies") I believe the saying is "Put up or shut up".



If you had, would we still be talking?

Lets note that Eibach never calls the spring a "performance spring". How much of this improved handling is attributed, not to the progressive rate, but to the fact the spring is stiffer, and shorter than stock? My guess is that they are variable rate to improve ride quality, but if they were not variable rate, I would believe they would perform even better.



See above.

thanks andrew cause that runs right along with what i said in the first place, also note the key word progressive lowering spring, which is a varible or progressive rate spring in simple terms. now read in bold and re-read everything i posted. Should i break that down even more or do you get the point now. so now i defended my post the info i offered isnt questionable especially now thanks to andrew anything else you have to contribute?

It does? Last I knew you were saying that variable rate springs performed better than non-variable, and to back it up, you told us how well they work for extra load carrying capacity. I don't know about you, but I don't see any pickup trucks or Semi-tractors that handle as well as a sports car, and their "selling point" is an upgrade in load carrying capacity. So how does additional cargo weight capacity translate into better handling?



We already know that Sean0000 chose the Eibach Pro Kit. We also know that it is a variable rate kit. This is nothing new. Whats your point?


You are still missing the entire point.



You are still missing the entire point, and you haven't defended anything.

Your Welcome.

So andrew anser one logical question.....Why are there performance spring/suspension kits that INCLUDE varible rate springs? its been how many days now and theres been no proof on the conclusion clown came to about varible rate springs. That thread is still out of clowns mouth with no refrences to actual proof therfore its invalid to this subjuct.

He already answered it.

Here it is again:


Norm

And I also answered it.

Here it is again:



How much more "proof" could you possibly need?

Norm

OP asked about springs, not about suspension kits.

If you would like to discuss A/G body suspension modifications, you are welcome to start a new thread on that topic.

Norm

Been there, answered that. Did you miss it? Norm already reposted it, so I won't bother.



Have you been reading along at all? It has been covered multiple times.




The actual proof is in the Moog quote from Brando, and your feretti motors article.

Both articles make the assertion that variable rate springs are used for additional load carrying capacity. Neither of them makes an assertion about the performance of the spring versus a linear one.

Your claim, contrary to what you have posted, is that you will get better performance from a variable rate spring versus a linear rate spring. To back this up, you use a sales pitch description of a spring kit that I posted.

I have asked for clarification more than once, but it seems that you are blind to that. If you can't clarify it, just say so, and I'll move on.

Andrew you havent posted a answer youve made guesses based on information posted


I have been reading very carefully, Clown posted his opinion of varible rate springs do nothing for performance, again i say and posted they do increase performance....But my posts clearly state what they do---increase load capacity...ok
Decrease sway in corners....ok
Decrease brake squat....ok
increase stability....ok

So if all that dosent mean more performance.....we wont see eye to eye



Clarifaction is in the writing i posted, if all you could get out one article was the sales pitch then please why are you wasting these peoples time with your posts? They all CLearly state though what advangtages are to be had using the varible rate spring, semi trucks and such are another ball game, and by using that analogy makes it completley irrelevant. 88 coupe cleary stated "varible rate springs "he would EXPECT to do the opposite of perofrmance" i stated that they would, my articles also Clealry indicate a gain to be had by using varible rate. But yet im missing the point? well if i am wrong then please QUOTE the section of the pointless thread posted so i can see the error of my ways.

Sigh...



He did not ask for additional load carrying capacity, he asked for more perfomance. Performance=handling

You reply-



So, one can infer, from this post, that you are saying that variable rate springs can offer him this increase in performance that he was looking for.

And you emphasize your point by telling us that they are great for increased load carrying capacity, which they are, but you have also made the assertion that they will increase performance, which, as more than one person has said, they will not.



Where did you say this?



I said the information was tainted by the sales pitch, which damages its credibility.



You didn't write them. But then, whatever google brings up must be the truth, right?



I admitted in the beginning that I don't have experience first hand, but that I am familiar (Very familiar actually) with the theories involved in their operation. But since you want to question me on my answers, what experience do you have with suspension, specifically linear and variable rate springs?

All I see in this thread is you going off the hammer, again, while others are trying to actually have a conversation.

Sorry refer to the other spring topic we posted in, apologize for that, but you can see here in the article i posted.


Some more info

Quote:
Ferreti Motors also has an article:

Variable Rate Coil Springs are higher quality replacements for original equipment coil springs. The unique feature of variable rate coil springs is the increasing rate of support provided as the load increases. This improved type of winding gives the springs a variable rate of resistance and allows additional load capacity. VRC springs give a more comfortable stable ride. They assist in reducing sag, side sway, road wander and also help compensate for unequal weight distribution in your car. The difference is really noticeable when your car is heavily loaded or if you are towing. Regular coil springs will handle about 600 pounds. Our variable rate coil spring design, available for most vehicles equipped with coil springs, allows a typical car to take about 1,100 pounds (500 pounds more).


Now you see the comparioson and my point? BTW google is what you use for your answers to andrew but guess it must be truth also.....I could tell you how long ive been installing lowering kits, struts and all that crap but then someone would ask me to prove it and i really am not going to go there so leave it or love it.

Thanks.




What I read is that it will offer a better ride, not make the car handle better- Sag, road wander, and side sway are all driveablility issues, not performance handling issues- It would help retain stock handling, but how would this increase performance?




I was being subtle- I meant that there is a lot of misinformation on the 'net. I use google to find an easily accessible article that emphasizes my point, which I know to be true. If I questioned the information contained in the article, I wouldn't post it.



Right now, I'll still "leave it".

Your continued use of underlining and bold fonts, only make your posts more confusing.


Yes. Overload springs would cause an overloaded vehicle to handle better. No one has disputed that.


Yes. You went off topic with your first post, and no one followed.

Until you figure that out, you will continue to "miss the point".

Norm

Clown, ok....Varible rate springs arent overloaded springs for a overloaded vehicle. They offer a higher spring rate (firmness) as more suspension travel occurs, which is why its more ideal than a linear rate spring for most practical applications, Like i posted already there an upgrade bacuse the give th best of both worlds between having a heavier rate linear spring and having a "factory" spring because it can offer both. By performance i mean better than factory or upgrade as i stated before, in which word for word, the op wanted...options, advise. So please once agian how am i missing the point? so ask you again how do they not offer better performance as compared to your statements?