........ he asked a question i gave him a answer .........

http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=268953&highlight=#268953

DrJay? That name sounds familiar.

I will be reading through it, along with the site DrJay linked to.

Norm

........ At least someone bothered to give this guy info to the best of his knowledge and his options ........

1) OP wants to replace his LG3 with an L67.

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IMO a l67 isnt the only option
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2) OP wants to hear from someone who has actually done it.

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so why do you feel the need to comment? at least i had something to contribute.
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3) OP did not ask for options.

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OP didnt ask for you to be his opinion in this matter either.
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4) You did not post anything the OP requested

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in that case www.l67swap.com now what do you have to contribute besides your nagging.
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5) You volunteered information the OP did not request. Information that is still questionable.

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questionable in your opinion not the op's.
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6) The reason no one responded during the last ten days is: No one has the experience the OP was looking for.

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fair enough but at least he has more insight on what deciosion to make for his car from the info posted already. I done see any harm in that and unless the op says otherwise who are you to talk?
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Which part do you not understand?

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i dont understand your though precess, if you have NO information to give at all, why do you like to clog up the thread with your bickering?

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........ in that case www.l67swap.com ........

........ grand national parts and engine mgmt .........

........ and getting your stock tranny a performance rebuild ........

........ around 250-300 WHP compared to ........

Assuming (unless we learn otherwise) all engine parts will actually interchange.


Aren't GN parts "collectible" and therefore, expensive?

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Not really theres alot of parts you just have to look for them (ebay etc...)
ive seen alot of good prices online for GN parts.
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If ones budget allows for that much expense, why wouldn't aftermarket parts be more cost effective?

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what aftermarket does the FWD lg3 have?? thats why the need for interchange comes into play.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tranny

How would you go about making the 4L60 stronger than a 4L65? What would be the total cost of said rebuild?

Why couldn't one simply use a 4L65 with the LG3?

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the trans you reffered to is the RWD version. the 4t40 4t60,4t60-e, 4t60E-hd, 4t65-e, 4t65E-HD are all the FWD trans in recent GM FWD cars since 87-2005.
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In the real world, those numbers are all but useless. Tell us about the differences in power curves?

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if youve been privelaged to drive a GN boost comes on low and is very responsive in stock form so yea for real world apps the GN combo is plenty useful, As for the l67 it makes great power on the low to mid ranges but you also have to keep in mind, that it saps power to make it. IMO id prefer the turbo, but its up to the driver to decide the good ol' turbo vs. roots blower arguement.
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Then tell us why (for street use) the power curve of the Garrett blown GN, would be a better choice than the Eaton blown L67.

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Thats the whole turbo vs.blower argument again. when it comes down to it, i feel these engines need all the power they can get, a eaton blwer will steal almost 25-50 hp at the top end a turbo......sweet boost all the way up baby
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........ I don't have lots of info on the newer stuff .........

........ I sure did get entertained reading this thread ........

........ I have never heard him make an incorrect or inaccurate statement ........

........ ive seen alot of good prices online for GN parts ........

........ what aftermarket does the FWD lg3 have? ........

........ thats why the need for interchange ........

........ the trans you reffered to ........

........ its up to the driver to decide ........

Thats the whole turbo vs.blower argument again ........

........ when it comes down to it, i feel ........

........ GN boost comes on low and is very responsive in stock form ........

........ eaton blwer will steal almost 25-50 hp at the top end ........

I do not shop the internet.

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http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dl ... category0=
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Everything one would need for a performance rebuild or a race engine.

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examples?
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If the parts are the same, why bother to change them?

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because the GN heads flow more but still have the same bolt patterns and such as the fwd Lg3 heads. the intake flows more air as well so thats why you interchange.
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We are all aware of those differences, and everyone knows it was a typo. Just as we all know that your useless reply was not only incomplete, it did not, in any way, address the question.

The answer would be the same, whether it pertained to "T" for transverse, or to "L" for longitudinal.

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if everyone were aware that you made a typo then why didnt you press the edit button....besides that http://www.importperformancetrans.com/gmindex.shtml
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There were two questions.


Do you think, that might be why the OP chose the L67?

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since the op hasnt responded to his own thread we will never know
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There is no argument among cruisers, racers, builders, or TOC members. Everyone agrees, the only possible choice, is the one that matches the intended application.

The arguing takes place in forums where fact has no value, and opinion rules.

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matches intended application ????thats ass backwards theres dail driven turbo cars and daily driven supercharged cars. its on the op not you.
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Feelings belong in the Lounge section. This is Performance. Here, we like to deal in facts.

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read your statments above,you state your opinion so your critisizing youreself
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Not low enough. The mods that are needed to make it equal to the L67, are the same ones that make it less "streetable".

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so have you driven a turbo 3.8? L67's are nice but it takes alot more to make a l67 compare to a turbo 3.8.
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http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dl ... category0= ........

........examples? ........

........because the GN heads flow more ........

........ the FWD 3.8 heads are BETTER then the GN's ........

........ matches intended application? ........

........theres dail driven turbo cars and daily driven supercharged cars ........

........ its on the op not you ........

........ read your statments above ........

........ GN boost comes on low and is very responsive in stock form ........


........ but it takes alot more to make a l67 compare to a turbo 3.8 ........

........ so have you driven a turbo 3.8? ........

wrong ........ engine design has nothing to do with the fact of parasitic losses caused by roots type superchargers ........

........ The amount used, is determined by the desired net power gain.

........ The power limits, of both, are limited by engine design, not by how the blower is driven ........

Hot Wheels?
If you cannot find any, just say so.

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so you dont have the ability to scroll down or click next page i take it???
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Jon Kaase Racing
735 West Winder Industrial Pkwy
Winder, Georgia 30680
(770) 307-0241


Do they?

http://www.bonnevilleclub.com/forum/vie ... ht=#268953

From post #7:


Yes, it is the same link.


Yes. Which part do you not understand?

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what you dont understand is that the FWD heads in question are 3800 series 1 heads etc.... not LG3 which is before the series 1 smart guy. LG3 is the same engine code in the RWD GN and the FWD GM 3.8 v6's so get your facts straight. and yes the 3800 series motors to have more flow potential than the LG3 GN heads. but were talking LG3 remmber?
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And there have been, since the Fifties. What is your point?
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remember the whole powerband remark you made or do i need to remind you of what you said?
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The horse is dead.

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Then stop beating on it. Throughout all this , you havent made a single positive contribution once again.
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One last time: OP asked for specific information. You did not have it. Your unrelated reply was nothing more than a thread hijack.

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look atyour replies- then ask yourself how much good am i doing the thread.----none.
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Quit acting like a child. Post the quote, then follow it with your response.

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i dont really care if you like me or respect me but the childish remark was completley irrevelent and has no bearing or place in the forum. as for quoting, how about you spell my name right first
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Do you need help? http://www.oldsconnection.com/forum/faq ... e=bbcode#4

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Not relevant. You made a one sided/misleading statement. I clarified it with a simple comparison.

You do not impress anyone by changing the subject.

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so you speak for everyone now huh....
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Have you driven an L67?

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since you answered my question with a question ill end it and tell you ive driven both. thats why i can talk....how about you??
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Do you think anyone cares about your azz dyno?

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another irrevelant remark. I never mentioned azz dyno anywhere, so where did you come up with that from? trying to belittle me isnt working for you norm sorry....
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Wrong? In order to make that allegation, you must address the actual statement.

Here is the first part again:


The statement has been accurate for the last eighty plus years. It is still accurate now.

And here is the second part, rephrased: