Hey Brando,

How about a little extra traffic from ROP?.

I figure if I post This link over there. They get a good laugh and you get some exposure.

Regards, Norm

Well hey, at least we're all QUITE passionate about oldsmobiles!!!

No problem with that....



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Brando

Or maybe not, http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/vie ... hp?p=27445

That went over well.....not sure what OldsGuy is even talking about, the 600hp 455 is the first true bullshit I've seen so far....recently.

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Brando

ROP


I didn't do it....

TOC Admin
Brando

Hi Brando, All


Right now I can't get to ROP to find out what he said, but I know what he was talking about.

The experienced (not necessarily the oldest) guys caught on when I asked what a Comp 9000 was.

Have patience and stay tuned.

Regards, Norm

Hey Brando,

ROP is back up and I found Oldsguy didn't say what I thought he would.

He is right about the BS: although it doesn't begin to approach the level of the 600 HP 455, it is here (as is all over the internet) and will be here until enough people start checking their information before they post it.

Here, most (but not all) of it is on a low level and only misleading.
It seems that if someone has the knowledge to recognize BS and does challenge/question it, they are viewed as picking on other members.

I sometimes spend two and three hours editing and re editing one post in order to make sure it is as factually correct as posible and it explains the subject as clearly as possible, and lately I've been wondering why.

There was one posted today that is farther off than most on this site. Thread starter may or may not spend considerable time and money to get no improvement.
It will depend whether he decides to believe the one who has done it or the one who read about it.

I chose not to participate any further because I'll be picking on the incorrect poster and further drive the rookie to the wrong choice.

I feel correct diagnosis and knowledge of the best part for the application is why we are here.

And I'm wondering why I'm here.

Regards, Norm

I believe that would be because we all love one thing.....it starts with an O



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Brando

Yes Norm, It may be easier said than done but try to see the bigger picture.

In my opinion, In comparison to some other sites, the members of TOC get along pretty well.


Regards, Eric
- TOC Hall Monitor

After thinking about it, from your standpoint, I agree.

However, my perspective comes from other boards/groups that I participate (mostly read) in.

First instance of a personal attack on a member might get a warning or a temporary ban, and the second gets the perpetrator a permanent ban.

Here and here are examples of other sites I frequent. I've usually found both to be accurate, and I rarely post on either.

The political board I frequent is different story. Nearly all BS, but without the insults or name calling. Probably due to the above rule.

Regards, Norm

What is my standpoint?

do you mean beacuse I'm not a part of this "debate"

I understand your experience to be with less strict sites such as this. Mine includes the traditional administrators found in other groups/boards I've participated in.

Regards, Norm

I see where you're coming from Norm,

but what do I know, I only have experience with less strict sites

I'd have to say I agree with both of you to a point. Unlimited bashing cannot and should not be tolerated (can you believe I'M saying this?? ), but yet a level of "free roaming" can also not be denied. When the administrators get to the point where it becomes more of a heirarchy than a democracy, the site will suffer as a whole, as it will drive away members who don't WANT to say anything, since they may think the admins won't agree with them. I think overall this site runs pretty well...no matter what you'll always have someone who believes themselves to be the knowitall....and usually knows little or nothing other than what TV and assorted magazines have taught them. Others will not accept criticism well, and yet others will speak their mind straight out and forthright, without making someone feel all warm and fuzzy before they tel em how it is (yep..we have a couple here )

I like to think of it as using tact......you've all heard the definition of tact right?

It's when you tell someone to go get f**ked and they look forward to the experience

It takes all kinds to keep a board up and going....theres a very fine line to ride to have to keep EVERYONE happy, which usually NEVER happens, regardless of good intentions.

To address your previous statement, Norm....


Here, most (but not all) of it is on a low level and only misleading.
It seems that if someone has the knowledge to recognize BS and does challenge/question it, they are viewed as picking on other members.

I just take it with a grain of salt....usually the ones doing the whining are the ones with little "real world" experience. If theres something not right about what someones saying or the advice they're giving I'm not afraid to call em on it....I'm not here to be Mr. Congeniality or make someone feel loved...I'm here to discuss Oldsmobiles and the like and to help educate others on automotive and mechanical systems and problems. If they're thin skinned thats not my fault or problem.

I sometimes spend two and three hours editing and re editing one post in order to make sure it is as factually correct as posible and it explains the subject as clearly as possible, and lately I've been wondering why.

I also used to do that and still do to a point...however, no matter how clear you make it someone will always misunderstand. I've found that if I cover the basics of the issue that everyone else will get the general gist of the post.

There was one posted today that is farther off than most on this site. Thread starter may or may not spend considerable time and money to get no improvement.
It will depend whether he decides to believe the one who has done it or the one who read about it.

I didn't see the one you spoke of right off, but I'd have to say I'd believe the one who's done it and met with success rather than the one who read about it.

I chose not to participate any further because I'll be picking on the incorrect poster and further drive the rookie to the wrong choice.

Regardless, Norm...it is their choice. At least when I'm done I can leave with the knowledge that I at least attempted to help someone else out...if they choose not to listen it's their decision, but someone else reading the post MAY have learned something, so it's not really a loss after all, is it?

I feel correct diagnosis and knowledge of the best part for the application is why we are here.

I wholeheartedly agree with you Norm.

And I'm wondering why I'm here.

Same reason I am...to relieve stress, help educate others less fortunate than ourselves, and better the hobby as a whole. Rome wasn't built in a day, and people as a whole hate criticism, even if they know they're wrong. All you can try to do is get your point across as best you can, and hope that someone will learn and better themselves from it. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, but hopefully we can still teach the young pups a few things about cars, old friend

I copy and pasted that into Word, came out to be about 1.5 pages...



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