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88delta88
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 Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2003 5:11 pm |
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Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 5:06 pm Posts: 2415 Images: 40 Location: Canada
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Has anyone had to replace the Timing gears and chain on thier 3.8L?
I had to, after the chain slipped the camshaft gear and rounded all the teeth. This was a fair sized job, but not hard, just annoying.
Anyways, if you have ever seen the camshaft gear GM put on these motors you would shit. They used an light aluminum gear, with a plastic (teflon?) coating on it to, I would say, reduce noise. This plastic starts to chip and crack after time, and in my case, the plastic was worn right off the gear in some places, making the gear's overall size smaller. The chain worked its way through this aluminum, and finally just slipped.
This amazes me that GM would cheap out on such an important part. Had the valves on my car been zero clearance, as I hear a lot are, I would have been looking at complete engine rebuild following this incident. I only have just over 70,000 miles on the motor, this shouldnt have happened.
Just a beef I had with GM...
Aaron
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strokercutlass
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 Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 12:21 am |
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Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:17 am Posts: 378 Images: 13 Location: Wis
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the reason behind the synthetic covering is to lessen timing chain noise....most of the V8 olds, and the 3.8's have the synthetic cam gears, as well as alot of the other GM engines as well..chevy used this alot too...just like everything else..comfort was more of a factor than longevity...
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86Delta
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 Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:38 am |
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it is very strange that you broke the timing chain and you didn't bend the valves. that is how my car was when i got it, broken chain and bent valves. i did the chain and gears twice on my car (again at 200,000 miles as a precaution). i used GM parts (chain, guides, gears) because i heard that in addition to a little more noise (which wouldn't matter to me) the all metal gears may interfere with the cam sensor pick up, not sure if that is true, just what i heard.
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strokercutlass
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 Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 1:13 am |
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Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:17 am Posts: 378 Images: 13 Location: Wis
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have one in the shop right now that took out the timing chain...when it was said and done, only one cylinder had compression...new engine going in tomorrow...there seems to be no rhyme or reason to this..as the last 2 3.8's that came in with dropped timing chains ruined the engine....yet I've had ones that dropped the chain that were saveable...go figure...
_________________ Shawn's Auto Repair and Performance, SW Wis.
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69 Olds Cutlass S
70 Olds Vista Cruiser Wagon
72 Olds Cutlass S, 12:1 470 stroker, JM40 solid lifter cam, TH400, 3500 10" PTC stall, 4.11 posi
74 442 455/TH350
79 Cutlass 455/TH375 sleeper
'97 GMC Sierra Ext Cab 9" lift w/ 37's
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strokercutlass
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 Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 12:08 am |
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Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:17 am Posts: 378 Images: 13 Location: Wis
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88..its hard to tell...I've seen the 3.8's go both ways, and i can't say its a difference in years, because the one today was a 93, while the last one that ruined the engine was an 86...I suppose "dumb luck" says it better than anything...lol
_________________ Shawn's Auto Repair and Performance, SW Wis.
www.shawnsautorepair.procarcarezone.com
69 Olds Cutlass S
70 Olds Vista Cruiser Wagon
72 Olds Cutlass S, 12:1 470 stroker, JM40 solid lifter cam, TH400, 3500 10" PTC stall, 4.11 posi
74 442 455/TH350
79 Cutlass 455/TH375 sleeper
'97 GMC Sierra Ext Cab 9" lift w/ 37's
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