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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:52 pm |
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Dankraft wrote: 88 Coupe wrote: Dankraft wrote: ........ just sounds like an older V8 car idling ........ Nothing sounds like a V8, except, another V8." I didn't mean to step on hallowed ground there. I didn't say it performed like a V8 You didn't. I made a simple statement. You did not read what was there, but what you thought was there. Would you like to read it again? 88 Coupe wrote: Nothing sounds like a V8, except, another V8. Dankraft wrote: ........ just had the same tonal quality ........ Tone comes from the exhaust system, not from the number of pistons in the engine. Dankraft wrote: ........ It doesn't have the V8 rumble, shaking windows and all, but the sound is there ........ V8 rumble? Shaking windows? The sound is there? Dankraft wrote: ........ I must have come across like someone who puts a fart cannon on a Civic and says it sounds like a bigger motor, so must have more power ........ Dankraft wrote: ........ my statement about the sound was not an attempt at childish bragging. No offense was meant to the V8 gods.
You sounded, like someone who does not know what a V8 sounds like.
Norm
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Dankraft
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:26 am |
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Norm, it appears I've hit a nerve with this. Please forgive my foolish transgression against you, O knower of engines. I will scourge myself to atone for daring to speak of the hallowed V8.
Look at 87Delta's post. He understood what I meant. Just a thought, do the 1.3-liter V8's used in racing during the 50's/60's sound like V8's, or are they also transgressors, daring to speak of holy things?
I pray that my words reach you on that high horse.
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:27 am |
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Dankraft wrote: ........ it appears I've hit a nerve with this ........ Hit a nerve? Why do you think so? Why are you so defensive about a simple statement? Instead of waxing poetic, maybe you'd like to tell us how/why your 6 can sound like a V8. Dankraft wrote: ........ Please forgive my foolish transgression against you ........ I will scourge myself to atone for daring to speak of the hallowed V8 ......... Forgive what? Hallowed V8? Dankraft wrote: ........ O knower of engines ........ If you'd like to discuss engines, It's why I am here. Dankraft wrote: ........ He understood what I meant ........ 87Delta wrote: My 3.8 sounds the same, even likes to go "pop, pop, pop" ........ Maybe he can explain what you are talking about, because you seem unable to. Dankraft wrote: ........ do the 1.3-liter V8's used in racing during the 50's/60's sound like V8's ........ Do they sound like yours? Of course not, they would sound like V8s. Dankraft wrote: ........ or are they also transgressors, daring to speak of holy things?
I pray that my words reach you on that high horse. Why do you keep trying to make it more than it is? Here it is again. 88 Coupe wrote: Nothing sounds like a V8, except, another V8.
It's a simple comment. Nothing more, nothing less.
In the spirit of discussion, I believe I've answered all your questions. If not, please point out any I missed.
Norm
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87Delta
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:44 pm |
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88 Coupe wrote: Dankraft wrote: ........ He understood what I meant ........ 87Delta wrote: My 3.8 sounds the same, even likes to go "pop, pop, pop" ........ Maybe he can explain what you are talking about, because you seem unable to.
I do understand what the exhaust sounds like, very deep. At idle it does sound slightly like a small block V8 at idle.
Norm, please take it easy on the man. Nobody can exactly "describe" a sound on the internet without an actual sound clip. I know it may bother you, but please let it go.
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Dankraft
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:39 pm |
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Thanks, 87Delta. That's all I meant.
Norm, seriously, no offense. My "poetic" comment was indeed sarcastic, but only in response to your arrogant one.
On another subject, if I have more technical questions, which would not be related to the original subject, would it be better to post them here, or start a new page?
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:27 pm |
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87Delta wrote: ........ I do understand what the exhaust sounds like ........ His and yours, or a V8? His and yours sound alike? OK, I don't have a problem with that. They sound nothing like any V8. 87Delta wrote: My 3.8 sounds the same, even likes to go "pop, pop, pop" ........ Do V8s go "pop, pop, pop"? 87Delta wrote: ........ very deep ........ OK, I understand deep. Deep could be a 4 cylinder at low RPM. Deep doesn't make it sound like any V8. 87Delta wrote: ........ slightly like a small block V8 at idle ........ Slightly? It does, or it doesn't. A small block V8 sounds like a V8. A big block V8 sounds like a V8. Nothing else sounds like a V8. A V8 can be made to sound like a V10, but a V10 cannot be made to sound like a V8. 87Delta wrote: ........ Nobody can exactly "describe" a sound on the internet without an actual sound clip ........ As they are normally presented, sound clips of exhausts are pretty much useless. One might be able to tell the difference between a V8 and a Harley Davidson V2, but not with my speakers. 87Delta wrote: ........ please let it go. Only asking someone to explain his own statement. If he can, we will all learn something, won't we? Isn't that why we are here? I'll try again. 88 Coupe wrote: Dankraft wrote: ........ just had the same tonal quality ........ Tone comes from the exhaust system, not from the number of pistons in the engine. Dankraft wrote: ........ It doesn't have the V8 rumble, shaking windows and all, but the sound is there ........ V8 rumble? Shaking windows? The sound is there?
Did anyone else notice, it was 3 questions?
I'll add a fourth. Do V8s do that?
Is it. that I'm so caught up in my V8 ness, that I do not know what any other engine sounds like? Should I be comparing my 12 to 1 468 to a V6 with a leaking exhaust?
I doubt if anyone is talking about my bone stock 307.
Norm
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88delta88
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:51 pm |
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88 Coupe wrote: A V8 can be made to sound like a V10, but a V10 cannot be made to sound like a V8.
So... I need to know how this works. I understand a V10 has a different sound to it, due to the presence of 2 extra cylinders. How can the sound be emulated by a V8?
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87Delta
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:02 pm |
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Norm, both me and Dankraft's V6's do probably sound alike, mine MIGHT sound a little bit deeper with a hollowed out catalytic converter and such, but should sound alike. You are right actually, no V6 will sound exactly like a V8. Our V6's have a deep sound. Mine has a raspy tone to it when you get on it and pops off the throttle. Could be many things, the gutted cat, leaky exhaust, etc... I have heard V8's do the "pop, pop, pop" thing after getting on the throttle to off. So, it isn't just a GM V6 thing.
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:11 pm |
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Dankraft wrote: ........ My "poetic" comment was indeed sarcastic ........ To avoid discussing your own statement? Dankraft wrote: ........ but only in response to your arrogant one ........ Arrogant? 88 Coupe wrote: Nothing sounds like a V8, except, another V8.
It's a simple statement. Where is the arrogance?
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:00 pm |
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87Delta wrote: ........ no V6 will sound exactly like a V8 ........ So, now it's "not exactly". Will it be "only slightly" next? Would it sound arrogant, if I said: No V6 sounds like anything but a 6 cylinder with two separate exhaust manifolds. 87Delta wrote: ........ I have heard V8's do the "pop, pop, pop" thing ........ Does that "pop" make your 6 sound like a V8 that has the same "pop"? 87Delta wrote: ........ So, it isn't just a GM V6 thing.
Did I say it was?
I wonder if andrewk's Kawasaki twin would sound like a Harley Davidson twin, if he punched a few holes in his exhaust. Should be easy, since they are both two cylinder engines.
Norm
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andrewk
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:16 pm |
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88 Coupe wrote: I wonder if andrewk's Kawasaki twin would sound like a Harley Davidson twin, if he punched a few holes in his exhaust. Should be easy, since they are both two cylinder engines.
Norm
Actually... It has sportster mufflers on it and a leaky crossover pipe (until the gasket comes in from back order)
When I am in the throttle, it is loud like a Harley Davidson (with loud pipes), but much smoother, like a Japaneese bike(Imagine that!). At idle, it sounds like garbage, but it sure doesnt have that "po-ta-to" idle that a Harley Davidson would, its more smooth sounding, much like a Japaneese bike...
So the short answer is sort of, but not really
In this rambling, I may have stumbled upon the answer... My lumina has a bad cat. converter on it. It is 'raspy' at idle. I have a new muffler, so its pretty quiet. My question is, do you think it sort of sounds like a V8 because its loud? And WTF does any of this have to do with your problem?
Andrew
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87Delta
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:07 pm |
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88 Coupe wrote: 87Delta wrote: ........ no V6 will sound exactly like a V8 ........ So, now it's "not exactly". Will it be "only slightly" next? Would it sound arrogant, if I said: No V6 sounds like anything but a 6 cylinder with two separate exhaust manifolds. No, you're right. My V6 sounds like a V6 and only a V6  88 Coupe wrote: 87Delta wrote: ........ I have heard V8's do the "pop, pop, pop" thing ........ Does that "pop" make your 6 sound like a V8 that has the same "pop"? No, just saying, I've heard the pop on V8's as well. Does not make my V6 sound like a V8. 88 Coupe wrote: 87Delta wrote: ........ So, it isn't just a GM V6 thing. Did I say it was?
No, I was just saying.
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:42 pm |
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andrewk wrote: ........ it sure doesnt have that "po-ta-to" idle that a Harley Davidson would ........
The distinct sound the HD makes, comes from its firing sequence. The crank has only one throw, and the cylinders are at a 45° angle. Its not possible for the cylinders to fire at an even 180° as yours does, and #2 fires right after#1, with a pause before they fire again.
They are a lot smoother than they sound. And until the Nips copied the design: Nothing sounded like a Harley, except, another Harley.
Norm
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:03 pm |
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87Delta wrote: ........ My V6 sounds like a V6 and only a V6 ........
Or an inline six, with a "split" manifold or headers. An unblown M series Toyota would be a good example.
Norm
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:03 am |
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88delta88 wrote: ........ V10 has a different sound to it, due to the presence of 2 extra cylinders. How can the sound be emulated by a V8?
Fourth post at: http://www.oldsconnection.com/forum/vie ... php?t=2010
180° were first used in the ‘50s (that I know about) and are used on racing engines, where max power at high RPM is the goal. The sound came with the package.
The Traditional V8 sound (with a 4 throw crank) comes from firing 2 consecutive cylinders on the same bank.
Some of the “offshore” mfrs use an 8 throw crank, that has evenly spaced exhaust pulses. Makes it sound like an inline 4, 6, or 8 or any inline or V type with 10, or more cylinders.
With 180° headers, one primary from each bank goes to the collector on the opposite bank, so each collector sees a 4 cylinder engine, firing every 180°. The other collector sees a 4, phased 90° off the first. Same effect as the “even fire” V8, but much less expensive.
Norm
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