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texasred
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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:25 am |
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andrewk wrote: correct me if i am wrong, but if the back up light is powered through the flasher, then when the transaxle switch closes the circut, then the back up lights would flash?? That cant be right....
May be from the same circuit (fuse) in parallel but not powered THROUGH it in series. You're right...your backup kights would flash with the blinker on and your brake lights would come on in reverse!
That's why I'm thinking it is two different problems.
C.J.
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:29 am |
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Hello everyone,
Quote: You can't have "too much voltage" no matter how many wires you cross. 12 volts is 12 volts. Period .........
In this case, it doesn't apply, but, too much voltage can be caused by a defective alternator. Engine off, voltage can be 10, or lower. If the alt is charging, then it goes to 13V or higher. IIRC 13.6V is nominal, 14 is acceptable. Accessories run off the alt, when it's charging.
In order for an electrical device to do it's job, current must flow from the battery through it to ground, and back to the battery, in order complete a circuit.
If the circuit is not complete, it is an "open circuit" and the device will not work.
When a wire from a power source, touches ground, it is a short circuit, or "short". Shorts are what cause fuses to "blow".
A blown fuse creates an open circuit and the device will not operate.
I use a 3 (USD  ) dollar test light, and the above information, to troubleshoot electrical problems.
Backup lights and parking lights are not related.
Parking lights and turn signals are not related. They share the same bulbs, but the filaments are on separate circuits.
Regards, Norm
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:10 am |
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Hi Intimidator68, All,
Quote: .......... the transaxle gets its power commin out of the turn flasher ..........
Not possible. Current must go to ground or a device will not work. If two devices are wired in series, neither will work.
Batteries can be wired in series or parallel, to increase voltage or amperage.
From your discription: The backup light and flasher share a common connection at the flasher. They share a fuse and nothing else. If one works the fuse is OK.
Faulty ground will cause a bulb to flicker or not light, but not to burn out.
This, might be a good place for your diagram.
Regards, Norm
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andrewk
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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:04 pm |
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88 Coupe wrote: Faulty ground will cause a bulb to flicker or not light, but not to burn out.
That isnt always true. A bad ground can make the lights work, but be dim. This shortens bulb life, but the more I think about it, the less I think it is a ground issue. If you are blowing bulbs, not fuses, then the path to ground between the buld and where ever your short is is a shorter distance to the bulb than the fuse. So if they are going at the same time, I would start at the light, and follow the wires back until I found something abnormal.
Andrew
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andrewk
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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:05 pm |
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Intimidator68 wrote: they both have a ground connection the thing im lookin at could possibly be a connector. or they are wired in paralell. i know that differnet manufacturers make different symbols for the same thing. most of the stuff we look at at nti is from ford or chysler.
If the 2 bulbs share a circut, they have to be in paralell. If they were in series, the last bulb on the circut will be dimmer than all the rest.
Andrew
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88delta88
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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:43 pm |
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Wow... This thread sure has turned into a pissing contest since I was here last...  Joe - Did you get your problem fixed? If so, what did you do to fix it? If not, what have you done so far?
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andrewk
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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:56 pm |
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88delta88 wrote: Wow... This thread sure has turned into a pissing contest since I was here last...  Joe - Did you get your problem fixed? If so, what did you do to fix it? If not, what have you done so far?
Idk that I would consider it a pissing match....yet.... 
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texasred
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 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:57 pm |
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Intimidator68 wrote: nah we just gettin everything stragiht
Yeah...and I'll fight anybody that says different!
C.J.
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:11 am |
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Hi 88delta88, All,
Quote: ....... This thread sure has turned into a pissing contest ..........
As far as I can see, it has been a rational discussion about troubleshooting Joes electrical problem. Since eliminating possibilities is part of that process, and the discussion has been about doing that, how do you see a pissing contest?
Regards, Norm
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:25 am |
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Hi andrewk, All,
Quote: .......... A bad ground can make the lights work, but be dim. This shortens bulb life ..........
Less voltage thru the bulb is what makes it dim.
Less voltage=less heat
Less heat=longer filament life.
Regards, Norm
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