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Nice rant, but I've seen better. I think it would be more productive to clarify your own statements.

I repeat. Please post an example of anything I've stated, along with your explanation of any errors it contains.

If you find more than one, we can handle them one at a time.


Did you forget the request you made? Maybe we can deal with this one first.

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........ why don't you just start a new thread and ask what it is you don't know and wish to know ........

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Here is the original question. Since it's about Crossfire, which is the subject of this thread, you can deal with it here ........

In the original DOD thread, 88 Coupe wrote:
I wasn't aware "Crossfire" had problems? Please explain.



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88 Coupe wrote:
Nice rant, but I've seen better. I think it would be more productive to clarify your own statements.

I repeat. Please post an example of anything I've stated, along with your explanation of any errors it contains.

If you find more than one, we can handle them one at a time.


Did you forget the request you made? Maybe we can deal with this one first.

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........ why don't you just start a new thread and ask what it is you don't know and wish to know ........

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Here is the original question. Since it's about Crossfire, which is the subject of this thread, you can deal with it here ........

In the original DOD thread, 88 Coupe wrote:
I wasn't aware "Crossfire" had problems? Please explain.


I cited two common issues, you couldn't even correctly ID a Crossfire intake - NEXT!!!!!!!



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DrRansom442 wrote:
I cited two common issues, you couldn't even correctly ID a Crossfire intake ........

I'm not aware that I attempted to identify a Crossfire (correctly or incorrectly).


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........ Did you forget the request you made? Maybe we can deal with this one first.

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........ why don't you just start a new thread and ask what it is you don't know and wish to know ........

88 Coupe wrote:
Here is the original question. Since it's about Crossfire, which is the subject of this thread, you can deal with it here ........

In the original DOD thread, 88 Coupe wrote:
I wasn't aware "Crossfire" had problems? Please explain.



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I cited two common issues, you couldn't even correctly ID a Crossfire intake ........

I'm not aware that I attempted to identify a Crossfire (correctly or incorrectly).

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........ Cross-fire used 2 TBIs, should one complete TBI fail to work it killed an entire bank of cylinders ........

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Not what the following image suggests:


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what the image doesn't suggest but should TELL is that Offy made cross ram intakes, this image you elludaed to as being a Cross-Fire, therefore you were W-R-O-N-G

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........ Did you forget the request you made? Maybe we can deal with this one first.

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........ why don't you just start a new thread and ask what it is you don't know and wish to know ........

88 Coupe wrote:
Here is the original question. Since it's about Crossfire, which is the subject of this thread, you can deal with it here ........

In the original DOD thread, 88 Coupe wrote:
I wasn't aware "Crossfire" had problems? Please explain.
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Pick a new topic or drop it, it has been answerred. I cited 2 inherent issues and mentioned another common problem. If you CHOOSE to question my knowledge or experience .... then I suggest YOU go research it YOURSELF. I am not going to continue to debate that which I know with you and your ignorance.



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As you requested, I'll keep the quotes to a minimum. In order to do that, I'll deal with your statements, one per post.

First is your change of the subject, which I'd call (for lack of a better term) a "Diversion".

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........ If you CHOOSE to question my knowledge or experience .... then I suggest you go research it you. I am not going to continue to debate that which I know with you and your ignorance.

Looks like you've hit on the core of your attitude problem.

Have I questioned your knowlege or experience? If so, in what context?



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88 Coupe wrote:
As you requested, I'll keep the quotes to a minimum. In order to do that, I'll deal with your statements, one per post.

First is your change of the subject, which I'd call (for lack of a better term) a "Diversion".

DrRansom442 wrote:
........ If you CHOOSE to question my knowledge or experience .... then I suggest you go research it you. I am not going to continue to debate that which I know with you and your ignorance.

Looks like you've hit on the core of your attitude problem.

Have I questioned your knowlege or experience? If so, in what context?


Lets be real here, I am not the one with the attitude. When I state something, it is something I know or I indicate I believe to be true. Often for your sake alone (because no one else challanges facts like you do). I will try and justify facts with a picture or a link (you and you alone will ask for it anyways - so who depends on the 'net for his information????). Everytime you question facts, is an indication of doubt, yet when you post your thoughts it is assumed that everyone should believe the crap that rolls off your finger tips (and believe me alot of it is crap). Now as for "diversions". Where that picture i requested of your "Offiand" 16 port "earlier" {but in the 80s which was 30 years after the debut of the} Corvette super-intake or has it changed to yet another brand? Does it come with a blinker fluid pre-heater too?



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This subject has gone off topic please respond here



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........ what the image doesn't suggest but should tell is that Offy made cross ram intakes, this image you elludaed to as being a Cross-Fire, therefore you were wrong ........

OK. Lets say (hypothetically) I misidentified the image of an intake manifold you posted.

Now lets say it doesn't make a bit of difference which manifold I correctly or incorrectly identified, because, (still, hypothetically) for purposes of this discussion, there is no difference between any of the Ram and/or Crossfire manifolds and the plenum design they all use will allow eight cylinders to run with one carb, or TB, inoperative.

Considering all the above, (hypothetically, of course). Wouldn't your statement about one dead bank be invalid?



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........ what the image doesn't suggest but should tell is that Offy made cross ram intakes, this image you elludaed to as being a Cross-Fire, therefore you were wrong ........

OK. Lets say (hypothetically) I misidentified the image of an intake manifold you posted.

Now lets say it doesn't make a bit of difference which manifold I correctly or incorrectly identified, because, (still, hypothetically) for purposes of this discussion, there is no difference between any of the Ram and/or Crossfire manifolds and the plenum design they all use will allow eight cylinders to run with one carb, or TB, inoperative.

Considering all the above, (hypothetically, of course). Wouldn't your statement about one dead bank be invalid?


But wasnt his point that offy made cross ram intakes and you claimed they didnt?



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Maybe it would help if I rephrased the questions.

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........ it has been answerred. I cited 2 inherent issues and mentioned another common problem ........

Did you describe them so completely and accurately, that you answered all possible questions anyone might have?

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........ The Crossfire Manifold design was the major issue. Gas would "puddle" at the bottom during normal driving. When coming to a stop, this gas splashes over the restrictions (cast edges in the bottom) and causing a flooding, stumbling or dying situation ........

And the intake manifold was the sole cause? If so, I would think that would be how they would all run.

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........ Engine backfires when taking from a light or engine is sluggish during accelerating, were also common place. Most Vette enthuisists avoid crossfires like the black plague ........

And didn't others do very well by buying those low, fixing them, and selling high?

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........ I believe electrical problems were also prevelent ........

Please elaborate.

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........ and lets face it the system was overly complex especially for the "state of the art" ECMs of the early 80s. They were slow and crude and the Crossfire controlled not one but two TBIs ........

So, you are saying, no one could make them run right because of the above?

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........ Crossfire controlled not one but two TBIs, when one would act up it would mess with one entire bank of cylinders

Please explain how this occurred.



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Hi andrewk, all,

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........ But wasn't his point that offy made cross ram intakes and you claimed they didnt?

That is the point he is still trying to make, even after I cleaned it up. He seems to be picking at the dead horse because he can't defend his own statements.

Any time you (or anyone else) find I made a mistake anywhere, please point it out so we can discuss and/or correct it.

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geez, this dead horse has to be pretty well tenderized by now ;-)



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I agree.



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I agree.


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or do you have "liquid huevos"?



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........ Please respond here ........

I will pick the time and place.

I'm done here.



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