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88delta88
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 Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:03 pm |
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First, I think you should take the car back to the shop for a quick inspection, if you are noticing low hanging pipes. That can be a problem if you enter some bad parking lots. The hangers may not be welded in the proper place. Should be under some sort of warranty, if you just had this done.
I've got an 88, with the problematic trans, and I too am worried about it letting me down some day. But I just drive until theres a problem... It keeps pulling, so I just drive it!
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87Delta
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 Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:08 pm |
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MysterHK wrote: Although the rebuild took a huge bite out of my bank account, the transmission now is as solid as a rock.
Don't be so sure. The 440T4 is a weak tranny. Even with a good re-build ya gotta treat it with care. Hell, my re-build is going on 4K and is already slipping again. And my exhaust system I had put on when I bought the car is shot too. There is literally catalytic converter pieces laying in the muffler. All depends on the situation. 
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:51 am |
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Hi DI, hello everyone,
Quote: ........ had the exhaust replaced on my 99 Olds Intrigue GL (95K on it). Got GM replacement parts..nice, stainless and all ........ Stainless needed replacement so soon? Quote: ........ is awfully low! Like, lower than the muffler. Is that normal? ........ Take it back to the installer. Quote: ........ has anyone's transmission gone out at about 95-100K? ........ Under normal use, there is no reason why a properly maintained automatic trans shouldn't last twice that long. My newer 700R4 has 220K plus on it. Nothing done, other than PM. Quote: ........ will give it the Lucas treatment just in case though ........ Waste of money. If your trans in on its last legs, type "F" ATF might buy you a little more time. MysterHK wrote: ........ I'm planning to get another transmission from a local junk yard and have it completely rebuilt and stored in my garage as a back up ......... If your recent rebuild lasts as long as it should, your backup trans will have to be dismantled to replace it's deteriorated seals. Labor will be close to that of a complete rebuild. 87Delta wrote: MysterHK wrote: Although the rebuild took a huge bite out of my bank account, the transmission now is as solid as a rock. Don't be so sure. The 440T4 is a weak trans. Even with a good re-build ya gotta treat it with care.
So, are we to assume Oldsmobile put weak transmissions in their cars? Would that explain why GM had to shut the Division down?
Regards, Norm
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88delta88
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 Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:49 am |
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My olds is at 201,000km's and still turning the original trans. I expect to make the trans last until I get rid of the car, or aquire another car. I dont drive the car hard, or make the trans shift hard either. I keep an eye on fluid level, and thats about it!
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87Delta
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 Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:06 am |
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88 Coupe wrote: So, are we to assume Oldsmobile put weak transmissions in their cars? Would that explain why GM had to shut the Division down?
How would I know if it lead to the shut down of Oldsmobile? All I know is the 440T4 is know for having problems.
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:53 pm |
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87Delta wrote: ........ All I know is the 440T4 is known for having problems.
Known by who? What problems?
What fixes are available?
How many miles before the problems begin?
Do they all have problems? If not, what percentage of them do?
Do the problems continue after the factory upgrades have been installed?
How much is due to abuse and/or neglect?
Where does your information come from? Is there any hard data to support your claim?
If your claim is true, shouldn't everyone be told not to buy any car with that trans, and that all cars having one should be junked?
Is it possible, you made the statement out of frustration with your own personal problem?
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87Delta
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 Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:03 pm |
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88 Coupe wrote: 87Delta wrote: ........ All I know is the 440T4 is known for having problems. Known by who? What problems? What fixes are available? How many miles before the problems begin? Do they all have problems? If not, what percentage of them do? Do the problems continue after the factory upgrades have been installed? How much is due to abuse and/or neglect? Where does your information come from? Is there any hard data to support your claim? If your claim is true, shouldn't everyone be told not to buy any car with that trans, and that all cars having one should be junked? Is it possible, you made the statement out of frustration with your own personal problem?
I don't know where I heard it from, but heard they weren't the best. It may or may not be true. My personal experience may or may not be different because I drive the car alot, and not lightly. (I don't do neutral drops or anything..) So I don' know...
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Brando
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 Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:01 pm |
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They redesigned the 440t4 several times, each year came with an improvement.
Taken from this site:
Quote: A little history on the 4T60 used in FWD GM vehicles.
The THM440-T4 was introduced in 1984 on the new GM full sized luxury vehicles (Oldsmobile Regency 98, Buick Park Avenue, Cadillac Sedan Deville - remember the logo on the trunk lid "4-Speed Automatic"). This transmission was basically the THM125-C with an overdrive added on. The original 440 was not very reliable. Many changes were made the first 3 years. Areas that suffered many failures were torque converters (clutch rivets), 2nd clutch housings, 4th clutch area, final drive. When the Cadillac Allante was introduced, the 440 would not handle the torque of the V-8, so a special version known as the F-7 was developed. It included special sprockets, heavy duty final drive, special fourth clutch, etc. A rare but solid transmission if you can find one. By 1988 the quality was better, but to make the 440 (now called the 4T60) a world class transmission, electronic controls were added. The new transmission was coded F-31 and became known as the 4T60-E. The 4T60-E was phased in from 1988 to 1990. You can tell by looking at the bottom oil pan - it will be stamped with "4T60-E". This transmission has much better reliability. By the 1991 model year, all FWD Overdrive transmissions were the 4T60-E model. As a side note, with the introduction of the Northstar V-8s, a new low volume transmission was developed for these applications. It is known as the 4T80-E. Very durable but very expensive, about 80% higher in cost than the 4T60-E. Also 60 pounds heavier. With the introduction of the Supercharged 3800, a few modifications to the 4T60-E were made. The biggest change is the final drive unit, which is of heavy duty design. The transmission still can't handle the full torque of engines such as the SC 3800 and the DOHC 3.4L V-6s at redline during shifts. GM utilizes Engine Torque Management to maintain reliability. This consists of controlling engine rpm and engine torque (through timing and fuel) during shifts. That is why the SC 3800 and DOHC 3.4L do not shift at redline at WOT. For the 1997 model year, GM introduce the 4T65-E. This transmission is a heavily reworked 4T60-E design which includes such features as a 258mm torque converter instead of 245mm, twin chains and special sprockets for noise, Electronic Line Pressure (ELP) for ECM control of pump pressure to better regulate shift quality, revised fourth clutch, revised second clutch housing, and many other improvements to reliability. The first applications to receive the 4T65-E will be the SC 3800 V-6 and the DOHC 3.4L V-6 to minimize the need for torque management. The phase in will be three years and will be complete by model year 1999. The biggest cause of failure of the original 4T60 (440) is heat. [snip of restricted info] Through control of shift points and torque converter lockup, tranmission temperature can be controlled. There is a temperature sensor in the transmission for the ECM to monitor. This shows the STRONG recommendation to add and external air/oil transmission cooler for 4T60 (440) equipped vehicles.
As you can see, electronic control of the shift points added greatly to a more reliable transmission.
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87Delta
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 Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:18 pm |
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Brando wrote: yes...1988 the 440t4 was renamed to 4t60, which is the year they added electronic control, reducing heat. The 440t4 can be a reliable transmission...just need to take care of the heat, trans cooler.
Very good idea. I do alot of highway driving and I know she gets hot. 
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88 Coupe
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 Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:35 pm |
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Thank you Brando
87Delta wrote: ........ Don't be so sure. The 440T4 is a weak trans ......... 87Delta wrote: ........ I don't know where I heard it from, but heard they weren't the best. It may or may not be true ........ So I don' know...
Looks like more than one lesson can be learned from this.
Regards, Norm
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